Wednesday, 11 April 2007
Friday, 6 April 2007
Section bleedin' three
I thought about starting section three with "Finding a location for filming was a very important task as the film film would be totaly scuppered if the wrong one was chosen and we all would get U's, this is why we left it up to Jon aka Brains" however if I put this I'll fail... again. Have a nice holiday peeps : )
Sunday, 1 April 2007
Saturday, 31 March 2007
Friday, 23 March 2007
Buuuuuuurned...
Managed to burn the film off, despite a minor drama with the power switching off. Atarexia is now complete as we can probably get it... now, I wonder what others will think?
Wednesday, 21 March 2007
Nearly finished
Editing's gone fairly well for such a small amount of time... now we need to think about getting this close up knife shot tomorrow. I guess we'll be needing-
Big knife (do not get caught, whoever brings this in)
Black shirt/material
Something to stick under said shirt (bread? cushion?)
Now, when can we really film this scene and then put it in the film? Don't most of you guys have free periods tomorrow afternoon?
Big knife (do not get caught, whoever brings this in)
Black shirt/material
Something to stick under said shirt (bread? cushion?)
Now, when can we really film this scene and then put it in the film? Don't most of you guys have free periods tomorrow afternoon?
Monday, 19 March 2007
thicko
yeh it IS spelt ataraxia lol...i hope no one has started designing the logo yet lol oops
everyone bring their music shizzle in tomoro!!
i have an idea on how we can make the transition from apartment to trainstation work as right now looking through the footage their is a big hole that is impossble to fill...
for this idea we need to drop me going to my apartement... put in johns crazy shake footage... and do the face graphic match thing of me waking up in the trainstation booth...
we wud need to quickly film a closeup of me at the trainstation.. and then the hole is filled...
oh and do we still need the knife closeup shot!!?? shud get that done soonish 2!!
byeeeeee
everyone bring their music shizzle in tomoro!!
i have an idea on how we can make the transition from apartment to trainstation work as right now looking through the footage their is a big hole that is impossble to fill...
for this idea we need to drop me going to my apartement... put in johns crazy shake footage... and do the face graphic match thing of me waking up in the trainstation booth...
we wud need to quickly film a closeup of me at the trainstation.. and then the hole is filled...
oh and do we still need the knife closeup shot!!?? shud get that done soonish 2!!
byeeeeee
Saturday, 17 March 2007
Santana
Got some more music that we could try out for the thriller, it santana (that way I did that title, see what I did there) and the first bit is sound effects and the second bit is slow meloncolly (can't spell) stuff, it might work but we'll see what everybody thinks (I might ask more people this time, good for reseach stuff) : )
Thursday, 15 March 2007
Zzzzzzzz
Fiiiiiiiiiinaly finished the production report and I'm absolutely cream-cracker'd. But most fortuitously it looks ok, I don't think I have missed anything. We'll soon know 'cause it means I'll have failed... AGAIN!!!! Not pessamistic or anything I'm just "realistic" (I think thats the word parents use when they mean "my sons a failure")
Rob go sleep now Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Rob go sleep now Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tuesday, 13 March 2007
woop
yeh filming went okay reli surprising because me and henry... well me lol... hardly knew how to use the camera... only worked out the black and white function for the last few shots so i guess we will have to i-movie the ones that we did in colour... ah well, least we can hav some purdy directors titles in the credits woop
urm yeh got some reli distinctive shadows... stuck to the storyboards and then shot some different stuff which we thought worked well in the room we shot in... basically the drinks stuff and the embrace are in... and we shot stuff around that if ya get me....
lots of blood rob :D :D but we didnt have stuff for a close up of the knife so we shud do tht another day... the camera's battery ran out too... sooo we havnt filmed any of the killers bedroom but meh
urm yeh got some reli distinctive shadows... stuck to the storyboards and then shot some different stuff which we thought worked well in the room we shot in... basically the drinks stuff and the embrace are in... and we shot stuff around that if ya get me....
lots of blood rob :D :D but we didnt have stuff for a close up of the knife so we shud do tht another day... the camera's battery ran out too... sooo we havnt filmed any of the killers bedroom but meh
Monday, 12 March 2007
Filming me like
Did a "load" more filming today, went pretty well AND I didn't swear once, during filming, which, to those who don't know me, is quite an achievement. We did all the stuff at the train station, which required a bit of improvisation since we needed Cat to get on a train then have Tom follow her without the doors shutting and carrying them off into the wide blue yonder. Which would have been funny but it might have meant our "actors" might have ended up in Hull : ) but, to be fair, we do all rock (Cat must be commended for her organising skills) so it got done alright. It took me a while to get used to panning with the camera, but "THE TEAM" (Tom and Jon) were on standby, so no-one was seriously hurt. We also had Shaun as our Z-part c vol 3a list celebrity so we're blatantly getting an A mega triple uber super huge star for our work *caveman roar*.
Soundtrack wise were getting a bit closer to having a most excellent sound thingy. My idea was to start with this music Tom has, which is cool. Then as things start to get "romantic" *eye rolling* then we would start to introduce child's laughter in the background, which gets louder and louder until Tom skewers Ashleigh when it then all switches into brutal screaming killing noises (I'll just rage into the mic) then it can switch back into some other music, that someone had, as Ash hits the floor and Tom looks at her. Jake's going to have a field day calling me a psycho for this *more eye rolling*.
Think Henry had some music for the walking scene, hows about "Little Green Bag" may have been used previous like, in another not very successful film.
See you tomorrow people Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Soundtrack wise were getting a bit closer to having a most excellent sound thingy. My idea was to start with this music Tom has, which is cool. Then as things start to get "romantic" *eye rolling* then we would start to introduce child's laughter in the background, which gets louder and louder until Tom skewers Ashleigh when it then all switches into brutal screaming killing noises (I'll just rage into the mic) then it can switch back into some other music, that someone had, as Ash hits the floor and Tom looks at her. Jake's going to have a field day calling me a psycho for this *more eye rolling*.
Think Henry had some music for the walking scene, hows about "Little Green Bag" may have been used previous like, in another not very successful film.
See you tomorrow people Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Sunday, 11 March 2007
Blooooooooooooooooooood

Bit off topic but I've finally seen Hot Fuzz, see they managed an exploding head. Could've done with more blood though (only joking) we need exploding heads in our film, thought of a way to do it : ) no seriously I've got ideas for the blood pack stuff, I just need some equipment, fortunately I work in Sainsbury's... leave it to you ol' pal, lads.
film noire
anyone got any film noire style sounds in mind??
i like the idea of having some random chill out/make out lol music on in the background at the start... we could emphasise her fiddling with the music and with the drinks like tarrantino pulp fiction scene??
i'm worried closeups of the stabbing with "screaming animal noises" or "childrens laughter" could be Hot Fuzz comedy horror rather thn noire horror i dunno
i had some ideas on the middle bit... where i'm walking... to make it more interesting inspired by johns shakey camera work lol... involves the fading stuff tht rob was talking about... but extending it into the bedroom until we cut into the clear light of day for the train scene... i spose i could explain that better...
but meh...
i like the idea of having some random chill out/make out lol music on in the background at the start... we could emphasise her fiddling with the music and with the drinks like tarrantino pulp fiction scene??
i'm worried closeups of the stabbing with "screaming animal noises" or "childrens laughter" could be Hot Fuzz comedy horror rather thn noire horror i dunno
i had some ideas on the middle bit... where i'm walking... to make it more interesting inspired by johns shakey camera work lol... involves the fading stuff tht rob was talking about... but extending it into the bedroom until we cut into the clear light of day for the train scene... i spose i could explain that better...
but meh...
Music 2
Did just think of something for when th film starts. We could have some contrapuntal music for the bit when we first see Tom and Ash. We could have "All Right Now" by Free, for the first scene before we move on to the child voices bit. From the last verse the song goes,
"Let me tell you all about it now,
Took her home, to my place,
watching every move on her face,
she said look whats your game,
are you trying to put me in shame,
baby I said slow, slow, don't go so fast,
don't you know that love can last,
she said, love, lord above,
now your trying to trick me in love"
Think its an ominous prediction about whats going to happen to Ash, we could then fade it into the noises.
Blimey, I've done more work in these last three days than I have in the last three months. I just work to hard thats my problem : ) See you on monday peeps
"Let me tell you all about it now,
Took her home, to my place,
watching every move on her face,
she said look whats your game,
are you trying to put me in shame,
baby I said slow, slow, don't go so fast,
don't you know that love can last,
she said, love, lord above,
now your trying to trick me in love"
Think its an ominous prediction about whats going to happen to Ash, we could then fade it into the noises.
Blimey, I've done more work in these last three days than I have in the last three months. I just work to hard thats my problem : ) See you on monday peeps
Music
First off I'd like to say that shooting went pretty damn well, as Jon said below, but I would advise any other groups, who are left to film, DON'T shout out about murdering people at night whilst near built up areas... as I might have done (sorry guys). Why don't we each record sounds into the mic whilst whatching our finished thriller. For instance we could have that kids music sound before the stabbing but when you see Tom has stabbed Ashleigh it could switch into some really animal screaming grunting noises, to represent whats in Tom head. Then we overlay each persons noises onto the film maybe reverse some and then see what effect that has. Hopefully it will be really jarring. I think music might not have the same effect as random noises, what does everyone else think?
Saturday, 10 March 2007
Shooting
Went rather well, I thought- lots of takes and camera angles for outdoors bits. Rob, however, dropped a bit of a bombshell by imforming me that he and Ashley aren't able to film the interior sequences on Monday. Which is helpful.
Still, I reckon we can shoot the train station sequence on Monday afternoon (last two lessons). We'll have to come up with a plan of when we can possibly shoot the interior bits- it wouldn't be a problem, but we've left it a bit late to start filming. Nobody's fault, of course.
Still, I reckon we can shoot the train station sequence on Monday afternoon (last two lessons). We'll have to come up with a plan of when we can possibly shoot the interior bits- it wouldn't be a problem, but we've left it a bit late to start filming. Nobody's fault, of course.
Story boards
Ok, printed off the story boards and I'll start drawing them up. There a bit faded though so I'll need a bit of help deciphering them. See you all at six of the clock , remember bring the camera : )
Tuesday, 6 March 2007
Wednesday, 28 February 2007
Friday, 23 February 2007
Right, rasclaats...
Currently working on the final storyboards, in between my growing mounds of other work... should be up fairly soon.
I reckon we need to think more about location- streets with lampposts, blank rooms, securing the bus station etc; lighting- figuring out where we want lights in each scene and actually securing some; and make-up and costumes. Jon Rose needs YOU!!!
I reckon we need to think more about location- streets with lampposts, blank rooms, securing the bus station etc; lighting- figuring out where we want lights in each scene and actually securing some; and make-up and costumes. Jon Rose needs YOU!!!
Sunday, 18 February 2007
Sound track
How about we use some strange noises overlade over childs laughter, so we could have a cookoo clock go off when things happen... except that might make it seem like there was a clock but you know what I mean, I hope. : )
Monday, 12 February 2007
A thought....
When Tom stabs the young lady, he could bury his head in her shoulder and then slowly look up at the camera, or just upwards, with a rather proud look upon his face, or a creepy smile, just a thought.
I'm trying to work out how the bus scene would work, would be complicated. I can't think of a way around it, and is it nesaccary, is it a important part of the plot??
Just some thoughts for you.
I'm trying to work out how the bus scene would work, would be complicated. I can't think of a way around it, and is it nesaccary, is it a important part of the plot??
Just some thoughts for you.
Sunday, 11 February 2007
Draft Storyboard
OK, I can't work out the picture system thing, so I've provided a link to my Myspace so people can see my first draft storyboard (6 shots). Comments would be appreciated, as would Rob redrawing them to look. y'know, good.
Saturday, 10 February 2007
programmed to thrill
yeh i sed 2 john i think that we cud explain the murder with the bloke being programmed/brain washed to kill... cant remember if u likerd the idea but this is how it cud fit into wht we hav already...
shot of man looking out window, cuts to the drinks closeup of the woman stirring a drink, cut back to the midshot of the man who this time has been distracted because his cell is ringing, he answers it, the codeword 'rosebud' (or whteva) is read to him over the cell, cut to a closeup of the phone falling to the floor and then graphic match (i think) to a closeup of the drink the woman was stirring being put back on the table... man kills woman like discussed before...man is slouched over watching her die, the noise of the cell ringing from offscreeen is heard, it is accentuated that this snaps the man out of his daze, he walks over to the phone and the voice says, now i'm going to count to three... one, two, three, ... and that could be the end of the opening orrrrrr the thing on the bus orrrrrr has any one else had any further thoughts on the idea / ending ?? comment ples!!!!
shot of man looking out window, cuts to the drinks closeup of the woman stirring a drink, cut back to the midshot of the man who this time has been distracted because his cell is ringing, he answers it, the codeword 'rosebud' (or whteva) is read to him over the cell, cut to a closeup of the phone falling to the floor and then graphic match (i think) to a closeup of the drink the woman was stirring being put back on the table... man kills woman like discussed before...man is slouched over watching her die, the noise of the cell ringing from offscreeen is heard, it is accentuated that this snaps the man out of his daze, he walks over to the phone and the voice says, now i'm going to count to three... one, two, three, ... and that could be the end of the opening orrrrrr the thing on the bus orrrrrr has any one else had any further thoughts on the idea / ending ?? comment ples!!!!
Friday, 9 February 2007
Thursday, 8 February 2007
Storyboards
If anyone can explain to me how to upload stuff on our "Storyboards" link, I hope over half term to put up some rough storyboards for the scenes I've thought out. I'm not our group's best artist, but if they're up one of the others could perhaps redraw them in "proper" style. I'd just like to publish my original interpretation of scenes so we have something concrete to work from.
filming
any ideas for locations for the initial, indoor scenes??? someones house??? rent a hotel room??? when is a good day for everyone when we can film???
Tuesday, 6 February 2007
Well, things seem to be a little better after last week's apparent plagiarism drama. We've thought about the visual adaptation of some parts of my idea, and we should hopefully move onto storyboarding something soon. Thing is, my idea may well necessarily involve filming at night, which could be tricky. Any suggestions, anyone? Besides "film it in the daytime", I mean.
Sunday, 4 February 2007
What the hell??
When I added that bit about the montage I didn't at any point say it was part of Toms original idea, I said that it was mine and could be added at the beginning. And I did it to clarify why the girl was there for the slow people watching. I didn't say it had to be used either it was just a suggestion I havn't really thought about henry's and my since Jon went to mother Russia!
Grr >: (
Grr >: (
I'm only away a week, and everything goes tits-up... hahahahaha. Ah well, now you'll have to use mine... or tom and henry's. Don't worry, we can sort this out... I hope.
St Petersburg could well have been an interesting location, now I think about it... if I'd had a video camera I could have spliced in random, unmatching stock footage a la Ed Wood. Too late now though.
St Petersburg could well have been an interesting location, now I think about it... if I'd had a video camera I could have spliced in random, unmatching stock footage a la Ed Wood. Too late now though.
Saturday, 3 February 2007
the ORIGINAL idea
my original idea involved absolutely nothing with being inside a house or speaking on the telephone or having the female character killed and the credits were probably gonna be roled at the end cos we have a sorta iconic 'closing' shot...+++ The Girl survives goddammit :)
i'm pretty sure youre idea starts in the house and then you go to the forest right??? originally ours is set in an alleyway with a brief flashback to an office, and is in the tone of stylized noire with black/white, tophats, trenchcoats etcetcetc. My influences coming up with the idea are 'Rope' by alfy hitchcock 'Sin City' and 'Oldboy' by Park-Chan Wook. There is the similarity that a package is being exchanged but that is a cliche of the genre??? Our lady character starts off looking to the audience like she is a homeless person who has been unlucky enough to stumble upon some gangster types doing a deal. The gangsters move towards the girl to 'kill' her unknown to one of the gangsters the other gangster uses this as an oppurtunity to kill him and take both the money and the package....there are ten lines of dialogue roughly which are a voiceover of the flashback and the very closing shot. again the female survives lol...
...lol if there are any problems everyone remembers you had youre idea ageees ago before i thought of one so we'll change it no worries
: p
why did u even add bits to the idea rob there wernt any holes in the plot that needed filling in the first place grrrrr
i'm pretty sure youre idea starts in the house and then you go to the forest right??? originally ours is set in an alleyway with a brief flashback to an office, and is in the tone of stylized noire with black/white, tophats, trenchcoats etcetcetc. My influences coming up with the idea are 'Rope' by alfy hitchcock 'Sin City' and 'Oldboy' by Park-Chan Wook. There is the similarity that a package is being exchanged but that is a cliche of the genre??? Our lady character starts off looking to the audience like she is a homeless person who has been unlucky enough to stumble upon some gangster types doing a deal. The gangsters move towards the girl to 'kill' her unknown to one of the gangsters the other gangster uses this as an oppurtunity to kill him and take both the money and the package....there are ten lines of dialogue roughly which are a voiceover of the flashback and the very closing shot. again the female survives lol...
...lol if there are any problems everyone remembers you had youre idea ageees ago before i thought of one so we'll change it no worries
: p
why did u even add bits to the idea rob there wernt any holes in the plot that needed filling in the first place grrrrr
Fantastic everything just backfired
Great, I just found out that James's and Jakes idea is almost identical to ours. So after all the time we spent and drawings we've done and brainstorming we basically come up with some sort of psychic beam that has pinched their idea, bl**dy excellent. So we're now pretty much back to square one, sorry Tom.
For the record, we didn't actually know about their idea we just managed to do a carbon copy of it.
For the record, we didn't actually know about their idea we just managed to do a carbon copy of it.
Ideas knackering peoples brains
OK I have an idea for the final idea. Basically we scrap everyone else's ideas and just go with Toms.
We start with a montage of footage of the protagonist getting ready, but at this point it is uncertain who the protagonist is. For instance we see him picking up his brief case and putting something in it, then we see him on the phone (presumably talking to the contact), then we see him walking out the door. This is overlaid with the credits
We then use Toms idea but just after hes been shot it cuts to him talking about what he is going to do, over the phone. We still assume he is talking to the contact when he says something that makes us realise that he is talking to the hobo girl. Duh duh duh (music).
It then cuts back to a low angled shot looking up over the now dead contact towards the protagonist picking up the money/ brief case. Then does the gun/money bit with jacket before it finishes with him walking towards the camera with him reciting something like "they want whats in the brief case, she wants money and I want revenge. One down two to go." Bit cliché but we can sort that bit out.
Also I will finish the other story boards when everyone returns as this will mean I wont have to keep changing things. : )
We start with a montage of footage of the protagonist getting ready, but at this point it is uncertain who the protagonist is. For instance we see him picking up his brief case and putting something in it, then we see him on the phone (presumably talking to the contact), then we see him walking out the door. This is overlaid with the credits
We then use Toms idea but just after hes been shot it cuts to him talking about what he is going to do, over the phone. We still assume he is talking to the contact when he says something that makes us realise that he is talking to the hobo girl. Duh duh duh (music).
It then cuts back to a low angled shot looking up over the now dead contact towards the protagonist picking up the money/ brief case. Then does the gun/money bit with jacket before it finishes with him walking towards the camera with him reciting something like "they want whats in the brief case, she wants money and I want revenge. One down two to go." Bit cliché but we can sort that bit out.
Also I will finish the other story boards when everyone returns as this will mean I wont have to keep changing things. : )
Thursday, 1 February 2007
Uhh has this worked?

Trying to put the damn storyboard on aaaaaaaaaaargh I hate computers. Oh right yeah it might be something to do with the fact I was really impatient and closed the picture window before it said done... great. But anyways Tom or Henry can you suggest what angles we will use as I don't want to have to do this again. And also show me how to not be such a retard and show me the links editing bit thing...
Storyboard
Ok finished one of the final drawings (of a shot with one person but I was still working out the stlye so sorry) only thing is I have no idea how to put them on the storyboard link... HEEEEELP. I had the idea of setting in a deralict barn or building or something but this can be worked out.
Wednesday, 31 January 2007
New stuff
If just got back from work and it has given me a great idea for a Thriller, it is basically five minutes solid of me beating the uhh stuff out of the staff at Sainsbury's... blood everywhere haaaaate. No seriously I need to do those storyboards but they take ages 'cause if they don't look right it'll take longer. Grrr. Oh yeah should we sorta do some questionnaires uhh and research (got Duel and Fargo for that) uhh and some sort of plan and ask Hery and Jon for their opinion... wonder how Jons doing in Russia (if this was a sitcom there would be a cut to him running away from a giant hoard of somthings... possibly porcupines or Vikings?)
mooooooore plannnnnnning
doin more storyboards today and will be posting them soon when i figure it out lol...there is a new link thing on the right handside which u can use to get to t' storyboards but i've only added like 2 pictures and only for one of our ideas not the others so yeh byeeeee
Techno Retard
Finaly made a blog thing but it took ageeeeeeeees. Loads to click on and I'm a techno retard (or technology virgin as is the kinder term). Anyways we've tried to do a storyboard and it getting agrivating 'cause it going wrong. Grrrr. Didn't help I was drawing in pen.
Saturday, 27 January 2007
Well tehn...
Looks like my idea isn't too likely now anyway. Going on the Russian trip on Tuesday, so by the time I get back one of the other ideas will probably have been adopted by the group. That's not really a problem, because I know it'll probably turn out better, but it's a bit annoying on a personal level.
So I thought I'd write a post with the short summary I wrote up for my opening, and see what response is like... maybe Burby and Rob/Henry could do it too, as a "questionaire".
Anyway-
A man and a woman are walking down a road in quite high spirits- the girl looks drunk- and enter her apartment. The atmosphere we're presented with seems amorous, but this is shattered by his sudden stabbing of the girl- it comes out of nowhere, no music to set it up. He leaves quietly- no fuss, no real expression on his face.
We see him walking the streets, high angle shots mixed with closer ones, accompanied by music, there having been none up to this point (I'm currently thinking Swallow by Placebo- sounds "filmy"). The title credits are superimposed over these shots. Eventually he arrives at his own place, and as the music stops a close up of his face either dissolves or cuts into a shot of him sitting on a bus the next day- he could suddenly wake up if the cut technique gets used, but this might look comical. The opening would end o this shot, or on footage of passengers looking at him (his POV) followed by another shot of him looking away, then an extenal shot of the bus pulling up somewhere.
Comments please- Jon
So I thought I'd write a post with the short summary I wrote up for my opening, and see what response is like... maybe Burby and Rob/Henry could do it too, as a "questionaire".
Anyway-
A man and a woman are walking down a road in quite high spirits- the girl looks drunk- and enter her apartment. The atmosphere we're presented with seems amorous, but this is shattered by his sudden stabbing of the girl- it comes out of nowhere, no music to set it up. He leaves quietly- no fuss, no real expression on his face.
We see him walking the streets, high angle shots mixed with closer ones, accompanied by music, there having been none up to this point (I'm currently thinking Swallow by Placebo- sounds "filmy"). The title credits are superimposed over these shots. Eventually he arrives at his own place, and as the music stops a close up of his face either dissolves or cuts into a shot of him sitting on a bus the next day- he could suddenly wake up if the cut technique gets used, but this might look comical. The opening would end o this shot, or on footage of passengers looking at him (his POV) followed by another shot of him looking away, then an extenal shot of the bus pulling up somewhere.
Comments please- Jon
Wednesday, 24 January 2007
Henry-oh's post
I would like to point out that my idea, the one that Rob did with me, is blates the best due to the simplicity of it, rather than adding too many characters and things like that. But in saying that I do like what Tom and John have in mind, we really need to consider the ideas put forward and have unbiased opinions on them ^_^
Like a science experiment turned into a horrific nightmare...they've asked us to make a film opening. Problem is, we currently have three different ideas, which i really don't know if we can amalgamate succesfully. I'm sure the more dictatorial/lazy streaks in our group will determine which one we use, though (mine's the best- it's got a bus in). Hopefully we can sort that out tomorrow...
blah blah
spent time coming up with an idea and a storyboard to show to John and to Henry and Rob who have done similars...
Oww and me and rob did a questionnaire and henry and john were their and changed it a bit :) The questionnaire is designed to find out how to cater our movie to the target audience, it includes stuff like what is your preferred subgenre etc etc etc
Umm, after doing some research last week i like the film noire style some thrillers adopt... so far johns is really creepy and h and r's is wet urself scary which is kl
++ if ur still reading i think it wud b useful if we label our posts with our names otherwise might get confused :)
byeeeee
Oww and me and rob did a questionnaire and henry and john were their and changed it a bit :) The questionnaire is designed to find out how to cater our movie to the target audience, it includes stuff like what is your preferred subgenre etc etc etc
Umm, after doing some research last week i like the film noire style some thrillers adopt... so far johns is really creepy and h and r's is wet urself scary which is kl
++ if ur still reading i think it wud b useful if we label our posts with our names otherwise might get confused :)
byeeeee
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